Re: Life, Peace and Freedom.

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: David, : Your post is way out of line. We discuss Vance here in a mostly civil manner. We don't flame. If you feel the need to get personal please go elsewhere. : I was putting up Nixon/Lodge posters and ripping down Kennedy/Johnson ones in 1960 when I was 11 years old. I'm a Regan/Bush Republican with a strong libertarian steak. I suspect Willem is probably to the "left" of me politically but I have never asked and frankly don't care. He is a friend and we both love Vance. : John Robinson : : : : I have never really noted any particular political bias in Vance's writing - though I always feel that there is an "Old World" atmosphere to his work which I for one would not expect from a native of California. : : : : Try "Nopalgarth" (aka "The Brains of Earth) from 1966. "We have our own war on Earth--the 'cold war,' against a particularly odious kind of enslavement." : : : : ... : : : : "Let's go home and scare hell out of the commies." : : : : Hmm. Still think that Vance is a lefty sympathizer? : : : This looks like a somewhat classic USA response to commies:commies equals lefties. : : Willem, I will certainly ignore your provocative response, with the stipulation that you Hollanders will disavow your past, well before the establishment of the US of A as a nation, as a group of ruthless exploiters of natives wherever your colonial imperialist policies extended. : : Aha, you might say, that was many years ago and with our withdrawl from world domination and expansionist policies into insularity, we now have a more mellow way of life: we allow dope and prostitution, and we purposefully ignore our right wing past, except when, of course we are forcefully reminded of it, as when your former thralls the "F**kin' Moluccans" hijacked a *train* in Holland, for goodness' sake. : : Obviously, you didn't provide your former natives with a decent television infrastructure: otherwise, they could have seen the antics of the late dwarf Herve Villechaize on "Fantasy Island" when he intoned "De plane, de plane." I.e, not the train. : : Aside from "Nopalgarth", suggest that you brush up on "Wyst:Alastor 1716", which confirms many Americans' points of view on you Europeans (and of course, this is not my POV): : : 1.Lazy : : 2.Bad smelling : : 3.Waiting for the next government handout. : : 4.Confusing ideas with work, insofar as monetary compensation is concerned. : : 5.Amoral, to say the least. : : I ask only that make a scientific experiment: : : Take an early morning businesspersons flight in America and in Europe. You will see that: : : 1. The US experience will find you amongst a group of large, naive, but clean-smelling persons. : : 2. The Intra-European flight will place you in a vomit-inducing atmosphere, what with bad breath, foul smelling clothing, body odor, and much, much worse. : : ObVance: "Wyst" is but a small step from your European socialist states, and I believe that this was Vance's comment--no political stuff meant or implied, but Willem most unfairly dissed the USA. Fair enough? : : : : If somebody does not approve of communism it does not directly mean he is not a lefty sympathizer. in other words: why would an lefty sympathizer have to think friendly of communism? : : : left and right are meaningless words in political context because so called leftwinged dictatorial states greatly resemble rightwing dictatorial states. : : : In the end they meet with regard to respect for human live! : : : Vance did write this story a long time ago, 1966 , at that time the cold war was still going on. : : : In conclusion: it does not prove him to be non 'lefty' : : : it doesn't prove anything. : : : sorry for the double denials : : : btw I am nor left, nor right, I know the truth, so I am in the middle, : : : I think Vance is there also, otherwise I wouldn't like his books : : : :-)

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